Andrew Hughes: Independent. editing standards, mostly at ISO and ? Tracking SSI. Looking forward to contributing more to the standards process ✪

Joe Andrieu: 1. Consensus May 14-16 in NYC 2. MYDATA 2018 August 29-31 Helsinki, Finland 3. Summer DID/VC Outreach - target date? ✪

Andrew Hughes: Contributing to identity and privacy standards at ISO and ITU-T - looking forward to contributing to VC and DID standards [scribe assist by Andrew Hughes] ✪

Dmitri Zagidulin: I'll be at MyData, fwiw ✪

Joe Andrieu: Adrian will be on a panel on interoperability ✪

Kim Hamilton Duffy: Re Helsinki: likely no progress to report; I haven't seen any discussion about the panel ✪

Joe Andrieu: Adrian will also be on an interoperability panel at MyData ✪

Joe Andrieu: Registry process. issue #6.2 ✪

Manu Sporny: Process is github pull request results in community discussion. ✪

Manu Sporny: You want more of a write-up? ✪

Joe Andrieu: Yup ✪

Manu Sporny: Will eventually propose more in that issue ✪

Joe Andrieu: We need more signposts to this registry, to avoid future complaints ✪

Christopher Allen: Will introduce a BTCR registry, due to blockchain magic value. ✪

Christopher Allen: There's only 22 spaces available. Proposed filter: have a working version of your blockchain and method before entering our registry. ✪

Joe Andrieu: Moving to work items ✪

Christopher Allen: Got his point in ✪

Kim Hamilton Duffy: There was a question (or action item) abotu a registry thing, and maybe JWT? ✪

Manu Sporny: It was maybe JWK ✪

Mike Lodder: Must have been someone else asking for that ✪

Manu Sporny: It was the uPort folks who had this question. ✪

Christian Lundkvist: MSFT also interested in this. and ?? folks ✪

Joe Andrieu: The question started confusing. ✪

Kim Hamilton Duffy: We have found the action item. possibly assignable to ChristianLundkvist and Daniel? ✪

Christian Lundkvist: Can we use current JWK specifications for key descriptions. ✪

Manu Sporny: Yes you can, but you have to write a spec for it. ✪

Manu Sporny: We don't have the LD-key registry anymore, we have a crypto-suite registry. ✪

Manu Sporny: Push this through IETF <and two more items on your plate> ✪

Manu Sporny: TODO items for uPort: 1. Create a spec that demonstrates how you express a JWK using a LD Cryptosuite. ✪

Manu Sporny: TODO items for uPort: 2. Create a spec that demonstrates how you express a Verifiable Credential as a JWT. ✪

Manu Sporny: TODO items for uPort: 3. Implementations and test suites for those specs. ✪

Joe Andrieu: Call for other work items ✪

Lionel Wolberger: Data minimization work moving forward ✪

Christopher Allen: Amira status? ✪

Joe Andrieu: Some progress. halfway with final edits. something coming net week. ✪

Dmitri Zagidulin: *Mike-lodder: the spec can mention recommended algorithms, re jwk.* ✪

Joe Andrieu: After buyoff from authors, we'll gather consensus here. ✪

Joe Andrieu: We have a DID spec! ✪

Mike Lodder: Dmitriz, yes and they must be carefully chosen to not introduce vulnerabilities, I personally would choose Fernet instead ✪

Joe Andrieu: Next milestone: getting the work transitioned to a stanards working group, whether W3C or somewhere else. there are 8 items. ✪

Joe Andrieu: Manu how do you see the schedule going? ✪

Manu Sporny: Needs to be done in 90 days. ✪

Manu Sporny: It's a rough accelerated schedule ✪

Manu Sporny: We'll need lots of volunteers to move this stuff forward in parallel. ✪

Joe Andrieu: 90 Days = ~Aug 1 ✪

Manu Sporny: The reason is that manu things have lead-time to prepare for conferences liek TPAC ✪

Joe Andrieu: Let's go through and do a brief introduction and call for volunteers ✪

Benjamin Young: Here's an example in-progress Charter for the forthcoming JSON-LD WG https://json-ld.github.io/charter/ ✪

Manu Sporny: If you want to learn how we do things, feel free to jump into the charter process. ✪

Manu Sporny: Questions? ✪

Joe Andrieu: Names so far? ✪

Manu Sporny: Um, mine. ✪

Dan Burnett: Today's a bad day for me to try to commit, but in a couple weeks i may be more available ✪

Manu Sporny: We're going to try to cut use cases down to four ✪

Joe Andrieu: I'll put my name on that ✪

Heather Vescent: A while back we talked about "CCG Stories" how does that relate to DID use cases? ✪

Manu Sporny: Not much at all ✪

Christian Lundkvist: I need to drop off to another call, cheers! ✪

Manu Sporny: Use cases tend to be things that we've achieved. ✪

Benjamin Young: Here's an example of from the (now completed) Digital Publishing Interest Groups Use Cases document https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp-ucr/#unique-identifier ✪

Heather Vescent: I've seen this process before, and i understand why we have to be clear like that from a technical testing model, but i think there's a limitation on these use cases from a human centric interaction model. how should we resolve those two things? ✪

Heather Vescent: I want to work on the stuff that bridges those two things ✪

Heather Vescent: Use cases are going to miss a bunch of stuff ✪

Heather Vescent: These are great @bigbluehat ✪

Benjamin Young: Digital Publishing Interest Groups Use Cases include lots of stories and useage examples that try to distill the stories down to a requirement. ✪

Benjamin Young: It has to have its own identification as well as each of its parts ✪

Benjamin Young: As well as howevermany stories are needed to become a requirement ✪

Manu Sporny: There are two worlds here: the stuff that W3C membership needs to see ✪

Manu Sporny: But each submission creates a commitment. the less we write of these, the better off we tend to be. ✪

Heather Vescent: Thank you for the explanation, manu. how can we move forward including these concerns and mitigate the risks you're bringing up? ✪

Manu Sporny: It's an iterative process. ✪

Andrew Hughes: Can we use the CCG to collect the user stories? ✪

Andrew Hughes: That way we can keep the use cases for the WG clean and focused ✪

Manu Sporny: If something is achievable, we'll try to address it. if it's a liability for the group, then we'll identify that. ✪

Manu Sporny: It's a process. ✪

Heather Vescent: That's acceptable to me. i just want to see us not forget this point. just stating the obvious. ✪

Manu Sporny: Thank you heathervescent, noted. other questions? ✪

Manu Sporny: #3 Is demonstration of support. W3C cares about other W3C members wanting this work. ✪

Manu Sporny: They care about big organizations, but fundamentally it's W3C membership that does the vote. ✪

Manu Sporny: So we'll look for 35-50 organizations informally supporting it. ✪

Manu Sporny: This will require the chairs to drum up support "pick up phones and knock on doors" ;) ✪

Joe Andrieu: Any names to add here? ✪

Kim Hamilton Duffy: Main question here is who the big organizations are (not clear yet). we can talk about it offline. ✪

Manu Sporny: Usually you want big keystone corporations. we have some ideas who those might be. ✪

Manu Sporny: It's for the chairs, plus me. ✪

Manu Sporny: There will be a question as to who's going to chair this group. ✪

Manu Sporny: One of the multinationals will want a chair position, probably. ✪

Joe Andrieu: That will be a part of the charter? ✪

Manu Sporny: Yes. ✪

Manu Sporny: #4 And #5 is the "technical architecture group" ✪

Manu Sporny: And the "privacy interest group", who is ready to do a review. ✪

Manu Sporny: We need to get the spec finalized before we hand it over to them. ✪

Manu Sporny: Up to the editors to finish and up to the chairs to request the reviews at the appropriate time. ✪

Manu Sporny: #6 Is the primer, which is done thanks to drummond . ✪

Joe Andrieu: Can we get a name s to who's going to turn that in to spec-techs (?) ✪

Manu Sporny: It would be great if someone other than drummond or manu could take that on. ✪

Drummond Reed: Yes, it would be great to see someone else step up to this. ✪

Dmitri Zagidulin: *Are there decent tutorials on the re-spec format?* ✪

Andrew Hughes: What's the deadline? ✪

Manu Sporny: End of summer ✪

Andrew Hughes: I'm willing to take that on, noting that i'm busy until mid-May ✪

Manu Sporny: Wrapping it up by mid-June seems reasonable. ✪

Andrew Hughes: Will reach out for more instructions and guidance ✪

Dan Burnett: Again, I will likely also be available in the same time frame ✪

Manu Sporny: The test suite isn't absolutely required ✪

Manu Sporny: (#7) It would be good for us to have our ducks in a row ✪

Manu Sporny: This would be something like various DID Documents feeding through a test suite with green checkmarks ✪

Manu Sporny: We may be able to leverage some of the verifiable claims test suite as well. ✪

Kim Hamilton Duffy: I'm debating whether I can do this or work on it with someone ✪

Lucas Parker: Same. ✪

Ryan Grant: I'd love to work with Kim on this [scribe assist by Joe Andrieu] ✪

Ryan Grant: I may be able to work on this with Kim and lparker. [scribe assist by Manu Sporny] ✪

Joe Andrieu: ... If Markus is available as well, he's well positioned ✪

Kim Hamilton Duffy: He's not but I was thinking that too ✪

Lucas Parker: Yep ✪

Manu Sporny: We position ourselves best if we can demonstrate that this stuff is being deployed and used out there. the most common response to a charter is "who's using it, and why is this the right time to standardize" ✪

Manu Sporny: The goldilocks period is flexibility with active work ongoing. ✪

Manu Sporny: If we have three organizations that are deploying in production, we are well positioned ✪

Manu Sporny: Deployments help with large organizations jumping in and trying to take control ✪

Manu Sporny: As long as we go in as a group, those kinds of bombs don't have a lot of effect. ✪

Manu Sporny: If we're not interoperating, then those bombs have more effect, and W3C management freaks out. ✪

Manu Sporny: That's why test suites and deployment are so important. ✪

Manu Sporny: Evernym, Sovrin, Veres One, maybe uPort, and we dont' know where BTCR is with DID Documents. ✪

Joe Andrieu: Call for someone to manage the spreadsheet of interactions ✪

Manu Sporny: Timeline review ✪

Joe Andrieu: S/lparker,/lionel_wolberger/ ✪

Manu Sporny: DID spec is blocking reviews ✪

Drummond Reed: I am ready to put time in on the DID spec this week. ✪

Drummond Reed: Yes, I am planning time with Manu TODAY. ✪

Manu Sporny: Next is charter and use cases ✪

Manu Sporny: DID spec by end of may ✪

Manu Sporny: Charter and use cases by end of June ✪

Manu Sporny: Then kick off reviews ✪

Manu Sporny: Correction: charter and primer by end of June ✪

Joe Andrieu: Deadline for Charter, Use Cases, and Primer: end of June ✪

Joe Andrieu: Manu, any recommendations for end of next week? ✪

Manu Sporny: Maybe narrowing down use cases ✪

Manu Sporny: And definitely DID spec work, then charter the week after that ✪

Joe Andrieu: Is on the hook for leading use case conversation next week ✪

Andrew Hughes: @JoeAndrieu should check in with BC Gov to talk use cases - jjordan etc ✪

Christopher Allen: We've inherited all the data verification of the ? specs as well ✪

Christopher Allen: Any thoughts on when we can do custom verifiable credentials? ✪

Christopher Allen: This is gating things to try, since other test beds aren't suitable at the moment. ✪

Manu Sporny: Working on it ✪

Joe Andrieu: We'll put these names down and follow up in weeks to come. ✪

Joe Andrieu: That's a wrap. ✪