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Credentials CG Telecon

Minutes for 2019-06-18

Agenda
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2019Jun/0032.html
Topics
  1. Introductions and Reintroductions
  2. Announcements and reminders
  3. Action Items
  4. Work item repair
Organizer
Kim Hamilton Duffy, Joe Andrieu, Christopher Allen
Scribe
Present
Kim Hamilton Duffy, Christopher Allen, Ted Thibodeau, Joe Andrieu, Vaughan Emery, Kayode Ezike, Heather Vescent, Moses Ma, Markus Sabadello, Jeff Orgel, James Anderson, Drummond Reed, Dave Longley, Jonathan Holt
Audio Log
Vaughan Emery: Present +
Joe Andrieu: Introductions and reintroductions [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Markus Sabadello: Intro: James from ..?

Topic: Introductions and Reintroductions

Markus Sabadello: Intro: Daniel (?) from Workday
James Anderson: I do Cyber and Identity Strategy [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Markus Sabadello: Reintroduction: kimhd
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Co-chair of CCG, steering committee of Decentralized Identity Foundation (DIF), board of Rebooting-the-web-of-Trust [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Working at MIT on a credentialing scheme, based on standards and principles of this group [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: In the past, created blockcerts, earlier version of the standards we're discussing here [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]

Topic: Announcements and reminders

Joe Andrieu: Regular call to work on DID Spec work every Thursday [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Next Rebooting-the-web-of-trust will be in Prague [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Markus Sabadello: Planning pre-RWoT meetup page in Vienna Sep 1 to meet local Austrian identity community [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: TPAC 2019 is Sep 16-20 in Fukuoka, Japan [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: CCG chairs probably will not make it there, but we're planning a DID WG meeting [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]

Topic: Action Items

Kim Hamilton Duffy: #44 And #43, issues around security model / threat model of DIDs, requesting clarity on correlation [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: +1
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Have been lingering for a while... if no progress soon: propose to turn them into DID spec issues so they can be addressed in the DID WG [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Maybe use new GitHub move issue feature.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: I.e. close them in a week or so [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: We've been having breakout sessions to work on DID WG charter, triage issues [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Closed about half of the issues (many editorial), still some remaining [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: This is a good opportunity to get involved! [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: If you want to help, click on above link to see the issues and feel free to contribute. Ask kimhd if you have any questions. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: This is our list of work items [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Both ongoing and completed ones. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: We try to capture the efforts the group has done historically, so we can look and find historical work items. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: You can help here too, help to update the list [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]

Topic: Work item repair

Joe Andrieu: We identified 5 work items in that issue, what's the current status? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: These work items were approved in previous meetings, but we don't have solid progress or editors or idea where things are going [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: We'd like to get an idea if we continue to put time into these [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/blob/master/work_items.md may be a better resource right now than https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/45 [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Let's go over those 5 issues, have been in unchanged state for 6 months [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Item 1: DID Engagement spreadsheet, there should be a Google doc, not sure where [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Suggest we try to find a new editor for this [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Idea of this work: Who and where and how do various parties use DIDs? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Get an inventory of things; if we can't find an editor, we should close [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Will reach out to see if someone is interested to move this along. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Volunteers? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Item 2: Digital Verification Specifications [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: This is a separate task force, haven't done a great job keeping track of status [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Perhaps we should move this and list it as a "Draft Note", or other work item path, and officially list it [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Has reached some level of completion, may be close to final [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Item 3: Credential Handler API and Polyfill [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: This was developed by dlongley et al. at Digital Bazaar [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Will reach out via email to check on status [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Heather Vescent: Dave Longley is joining momentarily
Christopher Allen: I know some people are working on updating RSA and secp256k1 digital verification specs [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Markus Sabadello: Are we talking about this? https://w3c-ccg.github.io/ld-cryptosuite-registry/
Christopher Allen: There's been some work on reconciling names [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Where are the specs for these? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Markus Sabadello: We've known for a while this needs work. [scribe assist by Joe Andrieu]
Joe Andrieu: ... We've done an update recently where we introduce ecda secp2561, but still need the specification written
Joe Andrieu: ... The implementations here are various.
Joe Andrieu: ... Agree with Christopher that how it works right now, process-wise needs work
Markus Sabadello: Recently we just added "EcdsaSecp256k1Signature2019" (with no complete spec), simply to get alignment on Bitcoin-based and Ethereum-based DID methods
Joe Andrieu: Where are we with Credential Handler API? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: Spec is under CCG right now, right? People are implementing against the spec. But the spec needs to be updated and re-published. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: Are planning to put more effort into updating this over the summer. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Is the polyfill also under CCG or under Digital Bazaar? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: Digital Bazaar, since that's an implementation (open source) [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: This is a spec, but is it planning for a concrete WG to take this on? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: Not at the moment, way forward would be for more implementations to happen against that spec, to build up ecosystem around it [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: Then in the future it would go into WG for browsers to implement. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Could it be on a "Commentary" track right now? so it can be listed as a Community Report? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Longer term, where would it go? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: Long term: Move it into WG (similar to what Web Payments did: first CG, then WG, then implemented in browsers) [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Sounds like "specification" track, not "commentary" [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Right [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: How does this interface with other related efforts, e.g. the various flavors of DID Auth that are happening [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: This API can be used to do DID Auth [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: Some politics around when is the right time.. Need broader support by people who implement. Want to make sure it remains generic and open [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Perhaps we should include another editor added, from another community that supports this work [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Should add it into CCG Github, then publish it as a draft report, with versioning [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Dave Longley: It's in Respec format and published in CCG [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Markus Sabadello: ( JoeAndrieu lost audio... )
Christopher Allen: Before major next revision, can an editor be added [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Shoot. I'll call back in
Dave Longley: Propose by the end of the summer to find editor and publish next version [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Continue with work items https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/45 [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Item 5: Engagement Model [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: This document is mostly written as RWoT paper, but needs to be converted to Respec format [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Any volunteers to help with Respec format? Then we can publish it as a Note. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: BillB has taken action item to look into automatical spec text conversion tools. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Hope we can batch-convert documents (try with a few test cases) [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: If anyone wants to help with spec text, that would be great [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Markus Sabadello: Ajones_DB: Regarding Respec, we have templates we have been using internally
Markus Sabadello: Ajones_DB: Programmatically generate results of test frameworks
Heather Vescent: Rock on Andrew!
Markus Sabadello: Ajones_DB: Perhaps our tools have something in common that we can use
Markus Sabadello: Ajones_DB: It's a Handlebars template, produces Respec document from Mocha (?) test results
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Sounds good, please share [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Drummond Reed: Must leave the call early, but this is all good news about ReSpec tools.
This code is a little out of date
But basically a custom mocha reporter outputs a json file which is then used by handlebars.js
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Let's sync up with ajones_DB and BillB to see which tools we can use for Respec conversion [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Let's look at proposed new work items [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Here is the issue tracking the conversion tool: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/76
Kim Hamilton Duffy: It links to the conversion tool
Joe Andrieu: 4 Work items which have been proposed but not yet accepted [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Let's talk about #71 OpenPgpSignature2019 [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: This is another proposed new cryptographic suite [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: This was proposed before we had simplified work items [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: @OR13 hasn't found a 2nd editor; this could be an "informal" work item, we don't need to officially approve it [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: We should support it and accept as an "informal work item". What exactly does this entail? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Without 2nd editor, it doesn't qualify as official work item. So we should close and invite to resubmit when there is a 2nd editor. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: But still, how can we support "informal" work items? Perhaps give them a chance to introduce it as part of the agenda of weekly CCG call? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: My advice is, once it's more mature and has a 2nd editor, it should be officially announced. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: We can still list it as an adjacent resource, not everything has to be an "official" work item. [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Suggest to add it to https://w3c-ccg.github.io/ld-cryptosuite-registry/ [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Does anyone have proposed work items that should be discussed next week? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Jonathan Holt: What's the process of getting something into the ld-cryptosuite-registry ? [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Christopher Allen: Every registry will have requirements for how something gets into the registry [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: The ld-cryptosuite-registry has a brief section that explains this [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Joe Andrieu: Thank you all, cu next week [scribe assist by Markus Sabadello]
Moses Ma: Bye everyone!