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CCG Verifiable Credentials for Education Task Force Telecon

Minutes for 2020-06-22

Valerie Thomas: Hi everyone - val here :) looking forward to the chat!

Topic: Introductions & Reintroductions

Zan McNaught: Sovereign credentials... interested in ux/ui [scribe assist by Matt Lisle]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Val Thomas from Talent Cloud
Valerie Thomas: From Talent Cloud [scribe assist by Matt Lisle]
Zan McNaught: My company is
Joe Andrieu: Former co-chair ccg... recently involved in pp10 paper... working with others on ILR/LER [scribe assist by Matt Lisle]
Valerie Thomas: + Val thomas present+
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Intro to val/david working with employers to make job descriptions more competency-based... focused on consumer side (i.e. credentials) [scribe assist by Matt Lisle]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Val thomas and david mason presentation [scribe assist by Matt Lisle]

Topic: GC Talent Cloud

Matt Lisle is scribing.
Val/David: discoverability of talent and skill recognition... focused on federal public service
Val/David: current HR is too focused on formal creds... data is disconnected... no way to show real-time KSAs
Valerie Thomas: Worker signals of KSA that is credible and trusted... Canada rise of gig economy - gov't spending billions to recruit/hire talent, can be improved... "more than my job title"
Valerie Thomas: Talent Cloud a grassroots effort... pilot live in 10/18. talent repository for project-based work
Valerie Thomas: Talent Cloud is public sector "gig marketplace"... skills/credential recognition engine for employment
Valerie Thomas: TC - first openbadges pilot for Canada gov't... also blockcerts pilot. Involved with T3 network.
Valerie Thomas: Differentiators - takes too long to onboard staff... get good talent in faster... more data for better matching between manager/worker... diversity/inclusion (more later)... promoting remote work by default... skills/competneices credential recognition
Valerie Thomas: Skills profile for workers... tools for recruiting/hiring for managers and HR... onset of COVID: repurpose tools to find matches for critical roles/skills... developing indigenous talent portal - indigenous people create profile, identify skills, by and for indigenous people
Joshua Marks: Q
Valerie Thomas: TC Skills Architecture... comes out of much research on future of skills studies... TC included in their skills database... being part of open skill ecosystem, want to connect to bigger space
Valerie Thomas: Current state... data from those who go through hiring process, but not hired, are lost. not tracking skills data through interviews, assessments, etc. missed opportunity.
Valerie Thomas: Process map for verifiable skill assessment records... person creates profile, claim skills (work, personal, education, etc), application is assessed, once candidate passes assessment it triggers record and goes into profile... added to profile/wallet and reused for other applications/jobs
Valerie Thomas: Working with private sector, not-for-profit, academia, public sector... end of high level overview of TC. now overview of UX/UI work
Valerie Thomas: Walkthrough of process between applicant claiming skill, hiring manager verifying skill, adding that skill to applicant record
Valerie Thomas: Demo... worker claims a skill (design research). opportunity to tap into open taxonomies/ontologies to speak same language as others. worker claims level of skill, evidence, etc.
Valerie Thomas: Manager sees claim from worker... invited worker to assessment... takes notes during assessment (e.g. written exam)... creates assessment record
Valerie Thomas: Back to candidate... has captured all data from process in their profile and can reuse in the future.
Valerie Thomas: Demo of verifiable credentials skills prototype from David...
David I. Lehn: User profile page... merge web app with world of decentralized data and wallet. using open libraries... user chooses "create skill"
David I. Lehn: Skill on worker profile... mangaer now has "verify" button... click it, skill becomes VC...
David I. Lehn: User presents credential from wallet... (hope to support multiple wallets)... select credential... credential handler api to store credential to wallet
David I. Lehn: Going forward... interest in relevant UX studies... merging centralized and decentralized worlds... they want to remain open source, but able to integrate... looking for most suitable and highest quality libraries and staying connected with community
Simone Ravaoli: Congrats, Val and David awesome work !
Joshua Marks: Skill architecture question... interested in transferable skills... where are they formatted and how can we crosswalk/integrate? implmenting CASE or other standards?
Valerie Thomas: Trying reach out into different communities... met with CAS (?)... looking to structure data to become interoperable... to date, been ad-hoc... but hoping to connect with bigger broader systems.
David Mason: CAS is CASS
David I. Lehn: Correction CASS... CASS is a specification not a standard. recommendation from joshua_marks to focus on interoperable/crosswalk efforts
Joshua Marks: How picking assessment, particularly for transferable skills
Valerie Thomas: No perfect answer, they have a process where applicant applies for Canada gov't job... hiring manager has to have assessment process with rubric... TC creates tool to capture that data
Valerie Thomas: No standardized assessments for every skill... hiring manager already building tools/rubrics, goal is to create a library of tools... also to help with documentation of assessment/hiring (data gets missed). collect data so it becomes part of record. another manager can trust it. won't solve ambiguity of assessment, but can reflect light on process that already exists.
Joshua Marks: Suggestion... less about assessment, more about work task evaluations. Val: part of idea of dynamic record of worker/assessments
Nate Otto: Ability accept VC from other systems/wallets... what is claims structure that you're accepting? what would external person who wants to recognize a skill, how would they get credential processed?
Nate Otto: Asked if they'd seen the prototypes from VC for Edu for things like skill recognition?
David I. Lehn: Not yet... looking for partners/info...
Kim Hamilton Duffy: David mentioned using many of same protocols that we're using in CCG... David's wallet screenshots use credential handler api, available through CCG.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Good place to collaborate... exchanging protocols, data model of credentials, etc.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Interested in further alignment work around taxonomies. would like to hear more about Joshua's work in Broward. on technical side, collaborating on protocols.
Nate Otto: Thanks @MattLisle for scribing