Verifiable Traceability Task Force
Transcript for 2022-08-30
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Ben_-_Transmute: Yeah I typed as merge first just because listed a lot of work on getting the CI to pass.
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TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): Not mine either special.
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Ben_-_Transmute: I can we do fight can we do 549 first before we do that.
Ben_-_Transmute: Yeah just do that and then come back to 539 after that.
Ben_-_Transmute: Hopefully it doesn't it shouldn't look like it has a conflict I use I forthright off mrs. Branch to do this and so the only changes should be the difference from their head and what this does is this goes through each one of the credentials and provides a standard way of defining the types for each one of our credentials to make it come out right in Json schema.
Ben_-_Transmute: Okay well I mean I can.
Ben_-_Transmute: Yeah it has a free will so that's okay um what this does is right now when we call npm I what this will do is it'll generate the context object in our repository for the API definitions and in order to do that it's calling a function from verifiable data which means that we would have to go to verified data update that function and then re pull it and then update the Shameless and.
Ben_-_Transmute: It's be able to change the contact so what does what does.
Ben_-_Transmute: That function that was on verifiable data puts it into our repository Drive say so any changes we make that we can update the context to do that and that does less basically a precursor for addressing issue 527 where if we want to make any changes to how our context is generated we can do it by changing script in our Repository.
Ben_-_Transmute: Any can have multiple sites on the credentials it's not mutually exclusive.
Ben_-_Transmute: I think Miss just dropped off but I can I can describe the change what we did was we tried to get we try to declare verify credentials in a way that we get everything into one file valve separating out the credential subjected to its own rdf type and after trying that looking into how you know the logistics of how that actually works it makes more sense to have each rdf class be its own file.
Ben_-_Transmute: Is reverting back to the.
Ben_-_Transmute: Visual design change.
Ben_-_Transmute: And I went ahead and describe the revert design that you important but it has a conflict resolved that I guess we should say it's okay to merge after fixing out of meeting is that okay.
<tallted> (sorry, local interrupt kept me from listening for a bit... hope I missed no major questions)
Ben_-_Transmute: Probably at least recently updated is fine.
Ben_-_Transmute: Of the URL resolves this now which I posted in the.
Ben_-_Transmute: Physical profit ressources addressed in place.
Ben_-_Transmute: I just reached in country code.
Ben_-_Transmute: Hierarchy using country I think I think these were added and place.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): Postal addresses are fraught with Peril and their consistent in some nations in some regions but they are not globally consistent at all.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): The only way we're going to win on doing this is using an attribute whatever we call it that basically just takes a string.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): Because that's the only thing that is consistent.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): It's third hot on the left in some places on a lot of reservations it's just a p.o. box but it's the 17th trailer down that trail we're not going to find a standard thing that works because there isn't one.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): That may be better because it does allow you to do things like print an envelope.
Ben_-_Transmute: But I guess just to kind of quickly summarize without me and this I think the implementation of that would be we would try to keep our existing address names to be as simple as possible and then change the terms to be 1 2 3 4 5 2.
Ben_-_Transmute: To make this address is that am I understanding that correctly.
Ben_-_Transmute: Or am I even vocalizing that correctly.
Ben_-_Transmute: I'm saying just confirming that we're really changing the terms and not the key values is that the right understanding.
Ben_-_Transmute: Okay yeah that's that's what I wanted to double check before we go.
Ben_-_Transmute: Yeah I think.
Ben_-_Transmute: Yeah he's pixie just saying what is what is the URL for the Jason don't eat context when we post and then in the second comment he has it says thanks this allows us to diagnose pain issues quickly does that mean this could be closed.
<tallted> maybe tag 406 "help wanted"?
<orie> thanks! ^ i added it
Ben_-_Transmute: Just a general agreement that we want to be more specific than schema.org when possible and disability context.
Ben_-_Transmute: II thought that I mean that kind of goes with the previous issue that we just talked about 50 to trade Finance related PCS is that like the whole premise of Trace vocab is to try to find the right vocabulary to find each term so having specific terms for specific identifiers tends to go with that trend.
Ben_-_Transmute: I'm going to ask a stupid question because I know how very poorly defined a lot of our dresses are how important is this in terms of data definition like I think a lot of the addresses in our you know in our scheme has don't really reference real place it's like oh this is an organ or this is generic motors with y'all a company they have bits of doesn't exist so I'm kind of wondering of you know if.
Ben_-_Transmute: Using kind of generic you know.
Ben_-_Transmute: Do any of the addresses in our repository really contained me beyond what they defined for the schema or context.
Ben_-_Transmute: I also kind of search closing it's not specifically relevant to the vocabulary and schema definitions and I think that the the address and itself only has meeting when we have you know real world data from you know actual clients or customers or users of our platforms and I think that that would be a vendor specific implementation for how that data is handled.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): To some to some degree I agree with that but on the other hand we've got a whole bunch of fake data in here and either it's useful for demonstrating things or it's not if it's not useful then get it out and if it is useful then make it actually usable I mean it doesn't have to be really complex to do a fake address.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): Now you can put your finger on the globe and say okay it's here and use whatever attributes of it you want whether that's lat long or that's a street address or it's something else.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): Right now we've got a bunch of fake data that is really really thick because it's really bad and it's not at all even close to usable for testing whether these things work though they that we're saying they do.
<nis> We have proper, realistic fake data too
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): Okay that that being the case then I suggest that the data that we have in there be more more fake more obviously fake.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): You know example core one example Street example City you know that just really blatant that this is not expected to do anything like work because right now what's in there is stuff that looks like it could be aught of work.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): And I thought it was there for testing the vocab in some ways.
TallTed_//_Ted_Thibodeau_(he/him)_(OpenLinkSw.com): Right I get it I pasted a link a little higher in the chat that basically the Google Map for insert address here.
Ben_-_Transmute: Yeah the this issue is about specifically clicking click the links and be able to go to Google but what this they say identified as that we either need Super pick addresses or we more realistic looking addresses but that means this issue can be closed and then optionally the issue about addresses looking nicer super fake is a separate issue.
Ben_-_Transmute: Call Ashley I can surf it stood with the whole I try to take this up before with a little bit of interaction of flood we have Elliot address Ellie I30 Ellie I entity Elia evidence document Ellie I registration and Ali I legal identifier credential and Vlad said that pay service these classes and which attributes you're using and also provide.
Ben_-_Transmute: Decisions about providing.
Ben_-_Transmute: Feedback but after my last post there has been no full of from flight on this.
Ben_-_Transmute: Oh that's probably one of those ones separate issue that's being targeted for removal that we should probably take out if it's called a credential but it doesn't have the proof.
Ben_-_Transmute: But as far as the other ones yeah I think yeah they've kind of want some specific examples for what the suggestion suggested changes for each one specific attributes or if the yet or if attributes needed to be had and what was the term speak on the issue for this be ready for report Plus.
Ben_-_Transmute: I think it it's a plaid to follow up on the issue or if this if you feel strongly about you know jumping into this and fixing our Ellie I terms this is definitely not my area of expertise so I don't you know I think this would know how to own this better than I do.
Ben_-_Transmute: No I think that there is always room for improvement but I think we can probably say that this is good enough.
Ben_-_Transmute: I think that probably miss put a name on that one with the pr earlier so that would probably be would probably started considering this to be done.
Ben_-_Transmute: Okay I guess this is this issues generally introducing the idea of do they want to accept that as a we've already been kind of moving that direction in terms of you know removing optionality for this one how does anyone else feel about this and there's anyone else taking steps to go towards.
Ben_-_Transmute: Who I guess I'll go ahead and I'll volunteer to the.
Ben_-_Transmute: Yeah as a side note on the recording side stuff reporting sorry recording didn't kick start the subtitles to start working again if you hit stops I don't subtitles and start subtitles that works so if that happens again on the call we should probably continue recording and then just toggle the stop start on the subtitles.
Ben_-_Transmute: All right see.