Jen_Schreiber: Hi I'm Jen Schreiber I am an engineer software engineer at work day and got to hear about some of the plugfest at IW so I'm happy to join in on this call. ✪
<simone_ravaioli_(vc_edu)> Hello Jen !
Maury_Shenk_(LearnerShape): Hi I'm Maury I'm founder of a fairly early stage UK startup called learner shape we build open source infrastructure for skills and very interested to hear what everybody has to say joining us. ✪
<kerri_lemoie> I was just on mute but I think folks could hear me... Can you hear Sharon?
<jim_goodell> ...sorry must be me I see transcription.
<julie_keane> Yes we can hear Sharon
<kerri_lemoie> Thanks @Jim
<kaliya> I am dialing in on my phone - and the app there - but I can’t hear any of you. Mmm
<dmitri_zagidulin> @Kaliya - I ran into similar (with my mobile app), try connect in a mobile browser?
<julie_keane> Seeing only black screen. But all good I have them pulled up
<kaliya> Still can’t here
<sheri_myrick-asu> Kaliya play around with sound with the arrow next to your microphone.
Julie_Keane: Sure well it was a it was a great experience because we've been working with a bunch of different organizations that have been thinking about more about adoption and we're very excited to jump into something that would experiment with the wallet we had a developer and created a Sandbox because our actual learning platform our credentials didn't wouldn't you know. ✪
Julie_Keane: we're only at the 2.1 spec for open badges so we. ✪
Julie_Keane: Inbox and with the amazing team including carry and James Dimitri were just incredibly super helpful as well as the folks at LEF so it was it was really felt very seamless from my perspective and I know that there was some problem solving but again given the fastest Sprint it was just a really fun it was really fun experiment and a really supportive community. ✪
Julie_Keane: Yeah sure I mean yeah that seemed really obvious to me from the beginning that we would create a Sandbox and then kind of rebuild a badge in the sandbox and we chose black girl Ventures because they were had been involved with them jobs for the future New Sharon had been in some of their accelerator and Mentor program and black our adventures just for background train black and brown women of color who are starting businesses and are trying to solve the problem of lack of. ✪
<phil_t3> I at least can't hear Julie's audio. Don't know if others have that problem
<kerri_lemoie> Sorry for audio issues that some are experiencing.
Julie_Keane: Structural racism which verifiable credentials probably can't solve but some of it is also just building knowledge around ecosystems building business plans getting access to Banks learning how to talk to Banks and VC all of those things so this was a learning pathway that black girl Ventures had developed they've had these credentials available in participate for a year and a half so they've had hundreds almost actually 1200 women trained through these learning pathways. ✪
Julie_Keane: The platform but only Bell who is the CEO of lacquer Adventures immediately saw the possibilities if they could get pushed into wallets and so that's why we decided to actually use an actual badge so that we would jump into an actual use case. ✪
Julie_Keane: And so that's what we're trying to really explore now is what are the next steps for she's very excited to figure out the next steps like right away she has a lot of energy so yeah trying to figure that out. ✪
<sharon_leu> ha, julie, no vc's can't solve systemic racism! but what an interesting tool.
<julie_keane> agreed @sharon and these open tech tools really provide avenues of access that can def support those fighting the good fight. :-)
<sharon_leu> That's right. Some of the participants in this group also tried OIDC.
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Just something that that is related to decom as much as they're there wasn't in that same level of activity in this in this protocol Camp it really felt even in the internet identity Workshop that did come was very promising and there's a lot of work going into it as we speak and there's some kind of excitement to see this protocol. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): In fact I pick I picked up at iiw announcement I think would last day that apparently see Kappa Sig by is an organization very active in this space out of Switzerland had donated libraries to did Cam and I think this is a good signal because did come problem with lack some of the development tools or even playgrounds or environment that made it harder to build on it. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): so this is probably a good. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): And in a good signal for the future so we look forward for more did calm side building in the near future. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): All right yeah so as I was reflecting on plugfest I think there have been a few interesting positive externalities that is things that happened that were unexpected but they were positive well in some were kind of known but just to go through a list of things so it was I think one great outcome here was that you know we really brought together we showed interop across. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): two different standards development. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): W3c and one attack leveraging open badges three was just a very delightful way of bootstrapping the adoption of a new spec and your standard that is coming from one attack so that was beautiful to see happen the other point was that in the in the chappie camp what happened is that thanks to the playground we have seen other players in the chat. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Realize that plugfest was was going on and so they just jumped in and started to issue of a Majesty who themselves I think this is an interesting unexpected outcome so we had actually more participation participation beyond the court. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Also we introduced the new tools for collaboration which is slack I think that proved very constructive in terms of the community self organizing itself I think that is something that we may want to keep going and leverage for the future we've also developed an interesting new set of tools or the playground chappies is certainly a good. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Interrupt but also you know we leverage work that existed the came from other projects David mentioned the profile that were developed in the ngi ngi Atlantic project you know that we're then leverage for plugfest also this plugfest created the opportunity to provide feedback and so change request both India the IDC camp but they're also have been issues logged into the. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): open badges specification. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Great things that I think will advance the ecosystem going forward I'd say that you know this is and also last thing I would mention is that as much as most of this interrupt displayed was in like a safe environment within a playground environment there are also promising interrupt that we showed with projects that have you know there are production-ready in the are. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Particularly one that I'm involved in is the my creds my credit is this National platform in Canada where and you know at some point all the post-secondary institutions are going to issue their digital diplomas through the platform my credit is partnering with matter and so they interrupted matter showed in this particular context really speaks to the you know the possibility of taking this kind of interpret ability to scale and in practice. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): right away so we're not just. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Or I think we just been this something that has an impact. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): I think that was kind of my list back to you Kerry. ✪
<simone_ravaioli_(vc_edu)> woot woot !
<sharon_leu> Thank you, Manu, and Evan, and the others at DB that worked on CHAPI playground. Would not have been nearly as easy technically without it!
<manu_sporny> Sharon, Happy to help! We are dedicated to this initiative! Really looking forward to the next plugfest!
<nate_otto_(he/him)> Can't speak on mic to it, but the 1EdTech workgroup talked about the context changes at meeting on Thursday, understands the issues, and is within a day or two of being able to commit to a really stable context. Maybe with one more well-reviewed-and-socialized change as the spec goes final-final around February. This community should be aware of that timeline. Now: context becomes quite stable (and wrists slapped for a little bit of uncautious behavior this fall); February: final-final.
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Yeah just to offset - comment in terms of of the demon digital bizarre women going above and beyond you know man who spoke about the the level of say coordination that we took for for his team to build and to participate they really you know went above the requirements and. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Work that they put in we've heard comments from participants saying exactly the opposite that in fact it was very easy for them to coordinate and through the playground they almost did not even know who was playing or or interacting with them because that particular you know tool made it very easy for them so they just could focus on the code and on the coordination so again great great work on the. ✪
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): digital bizarre team thanks a lot model you made. ✪
<julie_keane> @Manu that def helped with our project (having a tech lead and a bus lead). I organized and made sure that tech folks had stand ups when needed.
Simone_Ravaioli_(VC_EDU): Very easy for others I do you invested a lot alright. ✪
<manu_sporny> Verifying! :)
<sharon_leu> Most details of Plugfest 3 are TBD, including date, context of interop, etc.
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> exchange of meaningful data/payloads
<julie_keane> Oh you found it!!! Nice
Nate_Otto_(he/him): Plus 12 that I'm verifying seems like the next step in the round trip of a credential we've gotten it issued in the right format and plugfest one we've gotten it sent to the wallet and plugfest to and now may be time to send it from the wallet on to the next step in its journey and then you know like subsequent to that I think you brought up trust Registries previously there's a lot of questions about like what does it actually mean how do we rely on to understand what a credential means but I think prerequisite to all that. ✪