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Topic: IP Note
Topic: Call Notes
Topic: Introductions & Reintroductions
Topic: Announcements & Reminders
Topic: CLR & Plugfest 3
Tracy_Korsmo: Yeah hello everybody Tracy course well here I am the program manager the Statewide longitudinal data system here in the state which comprises education and Workforce data warehouses and through that project we've expanded into digital credentialing through the collab usage partnering with Randa as well as PCG and. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Transcript which is a centralized service here in the state as a digital credential to a wallet and that is a comprehensive learner record as well from that then we've expanded into post-secondary as well as more K-12 with the welding certificates post-secondary really concentrating on cybersecurity stackable credentials through certificates to Associates to Bachelors to a master's degree in cyber security. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: And more recently we're working with the licensing organization our health and human services here in the state issues EMT the EMR EMT Advanced EMT and the paramedic credentials here in the state and that's what we're currently working with right now which is really interesting because I think that North Dakota is firmly grounded in just accepting the national standards testing on that sorry I'm forgetting. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: But it's just a national test that is accepted in North Dakota along with about 20 other states so it has Interstate use so that's where we're headed with the EMT is issuing that as a digital credential today that's kind of an introduction Cary how would you like me to expand on. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Sure so let me pull up my test wallet here. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: She'll ours that have been published to me this is obviously a test account as well as open badges are sitting in here if I look at a North Dakota High School transcript visually this is a summary of the transcript and essentially the course grades but if I get into the details of the transcript you'll see that it is verifiable credential debut three see the proof and the CLR Kyle be verified the learner as well. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: as the publisher and each one we do. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Embedded evidence to help with the cold start of sharing clrs we can do a pdf version of that. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: And then we just get into the details of a North Dakota High School transcript and bringing it down to the level of an individual course the issuer being Great Plains High School with its public key the results as well as alignments and this is referencing the case North Dakota case Network. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: We have the state course code defined as well as an alignment to the national state course codes the sked codes so that is the metadata reference to the course definition and the competencies and skills related to that going back to the wall at if I look at a non transcript type here this is career-ready practices work based learning it's kind of like 21st century skills if you will. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Issue to the student and this has course transfer abilities to community colleges and in this credential here you're going to see a reference to not only the competencies represented here in North Dakota for that credential but you will also see a reference to the credential engine. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: So here's karate practices as in the credential registry here in North Dakota and that's kind of where we're leaning with most of our recognized credentials in the state is they'll be at least in the credential registry and in some cases there will be articulation of the skills and competencies in the case Network as well. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: So what I look at what we're currently working on in mind you these are not published clrs these are uploaded clrs but if I look at like an EMT. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: EMT at this time is not defined as competencies or skills as that should be a national publication of those but we do have the credential engine definition here in North Dakota sorry about this anyway that is a credential engine and the definition in the credential engine I'll stop there and answer any questions. ✪
<manu_sporny> Thanks Kerri ^ above is helpful, looking now.
Tracy_Korsmo: Okay so what we've done in this project is we do allow the individuals to connect to OB 2.1 connections and pull in any badges they have through a badging vendor and bring that into your wallet so the open badge hold on a second so now you'll see that. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Churches that have been published to Badger right now and put them into my wallet. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: So what you're seeing here is the badges that I have pulled into my wallet and so. ✪
<kerri_lemoie> 2.1 (2.0) badges are not aligned with W3C Verifiable Credentials
Tracy_Korsmo: I can verify this badge with a badger as well but more importantly I can embed this in a CLR and once it's embedded in a CLR it's really not verifiable anymore because it's just self-assertion if you will and that's one of the reasons for OB 3.0 to be able to verify publish and verifiable credential is now I can publish that as essentially a single assertion CLR. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: In the credential itself that makes sense and then I could curate a collection here just by simply choosing which clrs I want to combine if you will in a presentation and creating a collection and then I could literally share that collection out so if an employer or somebody wants to receive three credentials that I have I don't have. ✪
<kerri_lemoie> @tracy - do you have the JSON-LD for the EMT credential?
Tracy_Korsmo: I think you have quite a few questions in their fellow but you know when it comes to the publisher versus the issuer in North Dakota we set up the state a state node if you will of a publisher so we at the state ourselves authorized any entity that we want to issue underneath the brand of North Dakota it does not mean that the state is issuing a high school. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Is still the high school but the state is doing the publishing of the CLR on behalf of the high school is that where you wanted to articulate that Phil. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: So this you know I think maybe our CLR terminology right now might be a little bit misleading because we are calling it The Publisher is the Great Plains High School but it was published through an open ends are open credential publisher installed by the state of North Dakota authorizing Great Plains High School to publish and that's a good point is. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: An issuer but up here we are still calling the publisher Great Plains High School this could be the state of North Dakota. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Yeah each one of these I could there could actually be an image associated with each one of these assertions and we could even call it a type badge so an OB 30 is simply a single assertion same structure as in the CLR. ✪
<phil_t3> @Greg Berstein - which CLR were you looking at? (CLRv1 or CLRv2?)
Tracy_Korsmo: If I would be willing to publish a high school transcript to North Dakota wallet if you want Greg if you're looking for. ✪
<kim_duffy> Is that a selective disclosure signature suite per se or just separately issued/signed claims (in the CLR)?
Tracy_Korsmo: Yeah I think as we're you know I'm actually seeing students sharing their High School transcript with colleges today we've had a couple of them the problem with North Dakota's use case is we have a centralized State e transcript system already and we can send out a state albeit PDFs but so it is. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: really handles North Dakota of needs quiet. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: All where the value comes for the high school students is when they're graduated in need to show evidence in the high school transcript they can you know provide that transcript to a future employer education institution so we've had a couple of do that on their own so that's work but I think the use cases of how this is going to work the EMT first responder is a really good example of how this would work in this. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: First responder trying to get access into an emergency response scenario well first responder is any of those four categories in the v of an EMT through a paramedic but if I'm a paramedic I can pretty much ignore the fact that I'm an EMT or Advanced EMT because that Trump's them all so now I have okay well how do I get this down to a single top credential but then it also is a policeman fireman. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: So how does that work in emergency response there's a QR code that is requesting 56 different credentials and then I selectively disclosed all five of those so the use cases are just starting to kind of play out now if that makes sense. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Yeah and Kimberly you're working I think you're working with digital bizarre on just conceptually how First Responders work. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Is that a question to me well I'm assuming that there's going to be request for five different clrs and so categorizing or typecasting that CLR it's pretty important that that that phase to the way I'm thinking about right now is it's going to have to be a request for law enforcement it's going to have to be a request. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Firefighting credentials or request for EMT credentials so to me that's a single qr-code asking for multiple types of clrs but that's I'm in my infancy of understanding this at this. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: No I'm just happy that people are looking at this scenario. ✪
<phil_t3> Does the BBS+ selective disclosure approach also require a the deep knowledge of the CLRv2 structure?
<manu_sporny> kinda/sorta, Phil -- the selective disclosure stuff gets far more difficult the more complex the VC is.
<greg_bernstein> There's a mapping process between the credential and the simple "list" of statements that BBS works with.
<phil_t3> It might be easier if a wallet could simply extract the OBv3 representative single assertions, which then the wallet knows what to do with....
<phil_t3> That is extract it from the CLRv2 compound credential
<manu_sporny> yes ^ (but that presumes wallets know how to do that)
<phil_t3> The CLRv2 now supports the signature suites of the VC DM v1.1
<manu_sporny> Digital Bazaar are noobs when it comes to CLR :)
<manu_sporny> RANDA are the experts there
<kim_duffy> That's helpful Phil, thanks
Tracy_Korsmo: Yeah and and so listen Tracy here I think my use case on that one is I have published in official High School transcript the minute a student starts sharing off individual certian 's I cannot refer to that as an official High School transcript anymore so those are some of the use cases that were looking at and I just looked at an apprenticeship and it requires a high. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: And passing grade in Algebra 1 in high school perfect use case student sending out diploma not the transcript in a single course. ✪
<manu_sporny> Interesting, Tracy -- right, so you really don't want to be able to selectively disclose this stuff (on many occasions).
Tracy_Korsmo: Well if I'm thinking of a diploma as something that we haven't published yet I'm thinking of a plumber is just a certificate of high school completion and nothing about grades at all. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: Exactly it should be embedded in the CLR I'm sorry it should be embedded in high school transcript as an OB 3. ✪
<manu_sporny> "All these things belong together and constitute a transcript... you can't break them apart AND call it a transcript."
Tracy_Korsmo: Well in North Dakota it is a single state agency that issues the certificate or license in that Arena they're the single Authority in the state so they they would be the issuer of all four of the credentials. ✪
Tracy_Korsmo: But once again one-to-many could be revoked by the licensing body as well. ✪
<phil_t3> @Manu - the registrars of HE institutions see the complex set as the thing the institution is asserting. The individual courses as OBv3s can be parsed, sent and verified, but it depends on who at the institution is signing the individual OBv3s (the Department Chair of the discipline or Dean iof the School, etc.)
<manu_sporny> ^ makes sense, thanks Phil
<phil_t3> @Manu the 'complex set' is the transcript
<phil_t3> The community of registrars is getting more comfortable with the ides of the Transcript sigened (outer credential) AND individual courses signed (as OBv3s) to give the students agency in representing themselves to 3rd parties
<phil_t3> AACRAO has been advocating this approach (out credential and inner credentials as OBv3s both signed)
<phil_t3> Sounds like CHAPIv2 (LOL)
<manu_sporny> haha :)
<kayode_ezike> It strikes me that a critical decision is which party to place greater responsibility on for interop