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Verifiable Traceability Task Force

Transcript for 2023-08-29

Agenda
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Organizer
Orie Steele, Mike Prorock, Mahmoud Alkhraishi
Scribe
Benjamin Collins and Our Robot Overlords
Present
Nis Jespersen , Benjamin Collins, Chris Abernethy, TallTed // Ted Thibodeau (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com), Orie Steele, Mahmoud Alkhraishi
Audio Log
Benjamin Collins is scribing.
Our Robot Overlords are scribing.
Nis Jespersen : Welcome to the weekly trace call. Everyone here should have signed the contributor agreement. Today is vocab week. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : I have a few, to be more precise all six are from me. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : There is a mirror request on trace-interop to move things to the repository they need to be in for the respec document. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Confirming no objections [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Merging 856. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : We had a problem with British english which we couldn't fix because of GS1 vocab. They made two contexts in US english. What I've done here is use the US-english. What I recommend is using the same terms. I think that is an anti-pattern but not in the scope of what we're doing here. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Did you file an issue on their repository? Cross link and then you've done your part. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : The next one is 858. I don't think we had a problem here. The issue was the lat,lon had minus in there. I looked at all of the geocoords and confirmed they are all valid. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : I think we're good and we should be able to close the issue. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This moves the code from the root of the bill of lading into the carrier. It's an identifier for the organization. Not the document. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : We took out mandatory expiration dates. This brings in those required expiration dates on a couple of credentials. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This was an issue raised by Vlad. On some descriptions we listed possible values that are defined on the forms. So we should make those available as enums as opposed to text. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Next moving over to trace-interop. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : We included this as part of the process, but shouldn't be part of the normtative language in the profile. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : 591. This is the other side of the first PR we merged in. It removes some of the definitions we had on trace-interop and moves the good parts over to trace-vocab. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : The final one is from Isaac. Does anyone know what these are for? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Benjamin Collins: I think this is adding headers to be able to filter for logs. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
<mahmoud_alkhraishi> Why add it in pre-request JS script isntaed of in headers area
Chris Abernethy: I think there are other places to include headers as opposed in pre-test or post-test. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: What we observe today is a bunch of postman headers that aren't useful. What we want to see is specific user agents for the suite. If it accomplishes that we should merge and open a link to fix. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Chris Abernethy: That sounds okay with me. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Sounds like we are in agreement. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: I just noticed the collection link stuff. That should be removed. I don't want to see Transmute-specific anything. I think this should be a follow up PR to remove the account-specific information. Nis can you file a new ticket for Isaac to follow up on that? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This issue could have been fix. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: It suggests that it has been fixed on the issue. Can we just close it? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This is a bug on IATA records vocab. I'm referencing this from a pull request. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : I think we should close this as well. Or let me follow up and make sure it's been fixed on the IATA github and then I can close out of band. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: This one is marked as "Pending Close" after Mark's comment. We can just closed out as it timed out. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: There was something about the framing of the document i liked. It's motivation is based in US policy changes. I like parts of that, but other parts is not good for a global position. It's basically the call for action to the ticket is to improve the introductory text. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: If we could it would be nice to introduce the concept of supply chain transparency with respect to global policy changes before we get lost in the technical-weeds. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : We should remove a l [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Code from the example [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This is referencing a pull request which has a LOCode where it shouldn't have. This is reminding us to clean up after ourselves. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: That might have been resolved, is this still open? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Lets put a Pending Close on it and we can close it next time we see it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Looking at the comment thread on this. It doesn't seem like a priority. We could just close it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Chris Abernethy: This would be for Mike or Russel to answer. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: I'm going to use my friend card and make it Mike's problem. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : What does that mean? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Put Pending Close on it, and I'll ping Mike directly. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Multiple assignee's make it hard to blame someone for it not being addressed. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This has to do with how we identify products. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : I will take the role as the blame-guy [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Get to the point where you can propose text changes on the issue. If you get traction, you can make the PR. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This one has pending close, so we can close it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Also has a pending close. Closing this one too. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: What is remaining here? We search for the hash and then remove it? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
<chris_abernethy> stepping away momentarily
Nis Jespersen : I think it's in a script that makes the traceability terms. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: I think this is a find-replace PR. In the yml files that have it as a URL. The other place is in the index html file. As far as I know it still navigates correctly. So we do a find replace and then look for the tooling to address this. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Any suggestions on what we do with this? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Is it ready for PR? Or is Russel assigned to move it forwards towards Ready for PR? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: I might be aggressive with assigning Pending Close. If it's not important enough that people have picked it up. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Do we want to mark this pending close since it's been inactive since April? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Possibly, trying to understand what concretely we would change in our documents based on this. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: We don't have container at set. I'm not sure how to improve this. I think Pending Close is okay. It's too mixed of an idea to have progress made on it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
<chris_abernethy> back
Nis Jespersen : Oldie but goodie. We marked it pending close in April. I think we can close it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: If you don't think it's worth doing. We can leave a note saying that it's been over taken. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Some of these are quite useful, so I think it's worthwhile. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Benjamin Collins: I've been assigned and completely forgot. We need some kind of tooling to make sure that example span the schema. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: When we move over to v2 a lot of stuff is going to break. Part of this has already been done with adding credentialSchema to everything. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: In terms of work remaining for this. I would expect v2 test suites are checking if the credentialSchema is present and the credentialSchema is passing. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Benjamin Collins: I think our tooling is already checking if the schema is valid. In terms of spanning that just means make sure required stuff is required. So I don't know if there are any changes needed in our current tooling. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: I would close it then. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: This one is also marked Pending Close. We can close it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This seems like a dupe of a previous issue. So we can close this. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This seems to be a request for leveraging terms in different ontologies? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: If we use what we have today then potentially you cant get the same precision as these other formats. If the other formats aren't doing better than GS1 or Schema.org then we're not getting any value from it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Good point, let's ask him. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : I don't think Ben should be assigned [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Benjamin Collins: +1
Orie Steele: I think you should stay on it, and if they fight hard for it we can look at it, otherwise we can mark it as pending close. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Ted I love your comments: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/273#issuecomment-1697924841 [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: There was a comment added after pending close. They looked at other stuff. I think we can remove the pending close and figure out a way to get Francis and his team to contribute more. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Maybe we can close this issue and maybe get him to file issues around financial credentials. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : This seems related to the EPCIS? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Orie Steele: Can I throw this at you Nis? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
Nis Jespersen : Of course!!! (sarcasm?) [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
<tallted_//_ted_thibodeau_(he/him)_(openlinksw.com)> We're at time... :-)
Orie Steele: You are assigned now, it seems related to the event ticket. You should cross-link it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins]
<ben_-_transmute> scribe-
<orie> thank you!