<simone> Hello everyone, welcome to today's Verifiable Credentials for Education task force call. Let's start with the usual IP Note: Anyone can participate in these calls. However, all substantive contributors to any CCG Work Items must be members of the CCG with full IPR agreements signed, that you can find on the w3c website, and there is a link to this in the agenda we send out before every meeting. Please note that these meetings are recorded. We have a robot transcriber and we also do an audio and a video recording. If you want to speak, please raise your hand by clicking on the raise hand button on the call's tool bar, or type “q+” in the chat to add yourself to the queue.
Kaliya Young: Regional conversations um that feel like they're needed as the Technologies expand and go out into the real world. ✪
<ildiko_mazar_(elm)> I can't see Phil on the Participant list.
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Uh thank you so much Simone for the for the recap uh couple of questions 1 is about the trusted metadata uh project that you mentioned at the end is that. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Got it so it's definitely something to keep an eye on okay uh and then my my other question was uh you mentioned employment uh Records so which which has been uh definitely on my mind uh as I'm involved in a couple of projects that are data modeling sort of verifiable employment credentials and so. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): My question is has there been much conversation about the. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Side of things rather than the traditional education side that 1 at Tech uh engages in. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Yeah absolutely I think that would be that would be really helpful of us here at VC edu to. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Uh at least start discussing if not even uh data modeling some um. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Verifiable employment examples uh taking a look at some of the older diff work. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): That LinkedIn may or may not uh be also using uh some of. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): The schema.org approach the uh HR open lrrs approaches to employment credentials and so on yeah so that's that's definitely something that I'm looking forward to in this community. ✪
<gillan_ward> As part of pre-employment checks for onboarding in the UK NHS we have defined data schemas for verifying both employment and references
<dmitri_z._(pres.)> @Gillian - oh! that's great. are there any links to schemas we can look at?
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): A Gillian in chat or uh or Jillian um in chat mentioned that uh the UK NHS. ✪
<ildiko_mazar_(elm)> That sounds interesting, @Gillan.
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Uh data schema ecosystem may have uh. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Verify employment and reference uh. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Credentials schemas so that'll be really interesting. ✪
<gillan_ward> It's Gillan - I will see what we can share
<gillan_ward> It should be being published soon
<dmitri_z._(pres.)> @Gillan ahhh thanks! misread that extra i :)
<gillan_ward> ;-)
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Anybody else um any any other questions about. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Uh the 1 at that conversation. ✪
<dmitri_z._(pres.)> @Gillan - please do! hop on the queue!
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Hello hello uh thanks for calling that out explicitly Demetrius most directly the lrrs the resume standard that open HR has been uh working on I think is of interest to some of our. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Employer Partners through you know there's a lot of conversation at least in the states around skills first tiring and skills first practices to remove uh specifically to remove the degree requirement from a lot of um application processes uh I think something in this whole conversation around digital credentials and uh ler's uh that arises for employers is sort of a standard or or way they can think about the next iteration and the irony is not lost on me when they ask about a standard for something even though they use a self created resume currently um but the lrs the resume standard I think is growing um in interest and smart resume as a partner that we work with who has a. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Basically a version of that that can present verified credentials with the verification layer baked in but can also export as a PDF for you know traditional hiring processes but it proposes to plug into any system and offer representation of those verified credentials in 1 vehicle and I know they participated in you know the pokefest of the past but I think that's an area where we're seeing a lot of interest from Partners in in our projects and we've sort of 2 projects 1's called The Last Mile the higher that we have uh I've mentioned here before but we are looking at a next phase of that that would engage employers more directly in that in that hiring process so we've gone through an understanding phase with some some big Employers in the states uh. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Understand what those challenges. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: In the hiring process in upskilling uh because and so I think having some kind of standard or some kind of signal at least for them. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Systems can accept credentials and unpack the data that's inside of them is a separate question but at least showing the layer of verification and showing this that skills and and other attestations have been validated um through the whether it's working you know the experience they have as an employee uh or its experiences that they're gaining through non-degree or not credit courses um has the interest there has really has really increased at least with the partners we've been talking to so. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Is really valuable. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Um because really a lot of these groups want to see something that is simple and easy that that contains all of all of this stuff so. ✪
David Ward: It's it's Gillan Gillan yeah it's an unusual name a place in Cornwall in the UK yeah. ✪
David Ward: You all uh yeah so so I I I'll try and be brief um basically in the NHS which is the National Health Service in the UK we're looking to create a digital staff passport which is a wallet a digital wallet which will hold verifiable credentials it's already um in be public beta now um and the idea is to get Health Care Professionals onto the ward working the first phase of the project is about pre-employment checks which includes right to work checks criminal record checks identity checks um employment checks um and and there's some more and then there's other checks that they do which are statutory mandatory training they have to do education checks which is why I I I sort of joined this forum in the first place. ✪
David Ward: And then ultimately it's all about access to locations and systems um so they they can work on the ward ugh for the for the uh in in the UK we have about 10,000. ✪
David Ward: Legal entities that doctors and Health Care Professionals can move between each time they have a legal op obligation to do a lot of these checks. ✪
David Ward: Um um when you have doctors in training uh or post-graduate training as part of their work in hospitals they have to move between you know 4 months stints where they move between different hospitals to get their training and each time they need a reference um and um you know historically it's taken a long time for Consultants to provide references to the doctors in training um and sometimes they can't remember because there might be 50 or 60 per person of rotation and then the doctors come back and ask 4 months down the line they can't remember so the 1 of the most important ones was this reference so it's very much in this context within the NHS however because um we have to employ people from outside of the UK and ultimately he'd go and work elsewhere it's both public and private sector. ✪
David Ward: Um so yeah so so lots to talk about but I I just wanted to give you a quick update and I'll share we're publishing the we wrote takes a long time it's public sector so we we published um our trust framework with all the data specifications for all of the verifiable credentials that we have currently um and they should be available very soon it's taken about 3 years to actually get them published but yeah that's great update thank you very much. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Thank you so much Galen uh quick quick question is uh is this project related to the uh. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): To some of the solid bod initiatives uh NHS. ✪
David Ward: No it's separate it's separate from that so this is all about digital wallets and um verify the credentials not solids not not. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): And is is a targeting a mobile wallet or a web based wallet. ✪
David Ward: A mobile it says very much focused on the mobile at the moment as you're aware the the NHS is allegedly the fifth largest employer in the world so there's lots of different entities who have different initiatives um across it but we're working with NHS England which is the 1 that um comes directly from the Department of Health down so um. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Sounds great yeah please uh keep keep us updated on how that goes I think a lot of us here would be really interested uh in that project. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): What 1 AD Tech is going to do with uh their badge connect as well because I think the the overall verified credential ecosystem uh has standard portability. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Protocols like the open ID and VC API uh family of protocols so I I think the larger Community is just not familiar with the badge connect API. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Uh all right so we can we can wrap up this call Early uh although there there's something else we wanted to at least start the conversation about and that is the. ✪
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Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Uh given the Scribe selection difficulty uh the ccg has moved towards this uh. ✪
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Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Oh that that's weird I maybe forgot to put my take my name out of there but I yeah no we we use it all the time internally for a lot of our team meetings and some of the reports are super valuable especially for. ✪
Colin_Reynolds,_Ed_Design_Lab: Um like quick summaries of meetings right as opposed to reading through the whole transcript I think some of the summaries that that provides a pretty great so all in favor. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Most importantly uh does anybody have else have strong objections. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): All right that's uh that's good to know it's a it's a good data point. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): I also pick up this conversation on on the mailing list uh and in the call in 15 minutes but this is a great uh. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Which is yeah that's not good at all and I think it didn't catch elico either. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Yeah it didn't it didn't transcribe when it would go was speaking so there's definitely weird Network partition stuff going on. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): That would be good to smooth out. ✪
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): All right so we uh so we adjourn uh for a few minutes before uh. ✪
<ildiko_mazar_(elm)> Maybe the transcriber only likes persons and not chairs ;-). Although it likes you, Dmitri.
Dmitri_Z._(pres.): Before doing another call for the for the Europeans okay. ✪
<phil_long_(t3)> @Simone - absolutely, the ELM represents the EU/EC's domain specific credential payloads about aspects of an individual re: learning and employment.
<ildiko_mazar_(elm)> Currently in ELM we capture employment related skills and competences as learning outcomes coming from in-service learning.
<phil_long_(t3)> @Simone - Edalex is adding the content management layer to evidence.
<phil_long_(t3)> :+1: Xavi re: protocol distinctions from platform tranfers vs. wallet to endpoint .
<phil_long_(t3)> @Xavi is pointing out an important need to communicate/interpret/underatand the technical aspects of LER/VCs in more generally accessible language.
<phil_long_(t3)> @Xavi and @Rob can you also talk about the trusted micro-credential initiative?
<deb_everhart_(credential_engine)> I'd really like to be here for the rest of this discussion, but with the time change I have a conflict for the second half- thanks all!
<ildiko_mazar_(elm)> Thanks for pasting in the ELMB link, @Xavi :-)
<eric_shepherd> lol
<eric_shepherd> jim Goodell - led the schema standard
<ildiko_mazar_(elm)> I'm not a formal representative of ESCO, but I'd be happy to share some thoughts and experiences with using ESCO in ELM and European Digital Credentials.