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Credentials CG Telecon

Minutes for 2018-09-18

Agenda
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2018Sep/0003.html
Topics
  1. Introductions & Reintroductions
  2. Announcements & Reminders
  3. Progress on Current Action Items
  4. Status of work items
Organizer
Christopher Allen, Joe Andrieu, Kim Hamilton Duffy
Scribe
Present
Mike Lodder, Christopher Allen, Jeff Orgel, Andrew Hughes, Heather Vescent, Dan Burnett, Lucas Parker, Joe Andrieu, Chris Webber, Bohdan Andriyiv, Drummond Reed, Nate Otto, Dmitri Zagidulin, Kim Hamilton Duffy, Kaliya Young, Ryan Grant
Audio Log
Christopher Allen: Voip 0d3 is Christopher Allen
Jeff Orgel: Present +
Andrew Hughes: Hi - is audio working? or is it my config?
Mike Lodder: I can scribe today
Joe Andrieu: @Achughes I'm hearing the audio fine
Joe Andrieu: Thanks, Mike!
Mike Lodder: Please put present+ then your name everyone
Drummond Reed: I am the Chief Trust Officer at Evernym working on Trust Frameworks [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: Will not be attending RWoT due to a conflict

Topic: Introductions & Reintroductions

Topic: Announcements & Reminders

Kim Hamilton Duffy: First half focusing on scribing, second half focused on publishing minutes [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: RWOT EventBrite: http://rwot7.eventbrite.com
Christopher Allen: Over 20 advanced readings and topics [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: Please read these papers before the event but it is not mandatory
Joe Andrieu: Also great reads for many of us involved in this work, even if you can't make the event.
Dan Burnett: Is the paper deadline extended [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Joe Andrieu: Submit a paper and get the discount [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Heather Vescent: But please register ASAP or LMK if you have any dietary requirements, please.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Lodging / other RWOT questions: rwot-leadership@googlegroups.com
Christopher Allen: There are student scholarships available for attending RWoT [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/
Joe Andrieu: That's the correct email rwot-leadership@googlegroups.com
Kim Hamilton Duffy: IIW: http://iiw.idcommons.net
Kim Hamilton Duffy: TPAC is where DID will be evangelized [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: IIW is happening at the same time
Joe Andrieu: Lol. I tried to add you, Kaliya.
Kaliya Young: TPAC is almost full [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Drummond Reed: Do we have a hard limit? [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Kaliya Young: Registration closing at 300 [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]

Topic: Progress on Current Action Items

Mike Lodder: Who is speaking?
Mike Lodder: Thanks
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Achughes
Andrew Hughes: I haven't made any progress yet on that [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: Issue #2
Nate Otto: https://epic.openrecognition.org/ is in Paris Oct 24-26 just after TPAC if anybody wants to come by on the way back for some fun use case exploration around preserving any individual/entities ability to participate fully in recognition (often, credentialing). Low cost conference too!
Andrew Hughes: The unedited screengrab is here: https://youtu.be/vcL3ffgGEJM
Andrew Hughes: 15 Views so far
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Can't work on issue #3 since manu is not in attendance today [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]

Topic: Status of work items

Mike Lodder: ...: Or #4
Joe Andrieu: Lionel is close to publishing minimal disclosure paper [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: What do we need to do formally to publish this as a report?
Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://goo.gl/ZeyJUS
Joe Andrieu: Lionel's paper will help us finalize the process for publishing reports [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Draft: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/
Drummond Reed: No alarm about the spec falling apart [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: Lots of companies rallying around it
Kaliya Young: +Q - later on in the discussion - I want to comment on naming overall. Based on conversations the last month on the road.
Mike Lodder: ...: There are a few issues that need to be closed
Mike Lodder: ...: The term owner will be replaced
Joe Andrieu: (Btw, the term replacement is an active discussion, not yet a conclusion)
Mike Lodder: ...: I was at DID discussion and it was discussed about keys and how they are used, what we need is what are the recommended key types
Mike Lodder: ...: Establish best practices at RWoT
Mike Lodder: ...: What keys are most actively used and interoperable
Kaliya Young: The language of Self Sovreign Identity is a real barrier to entry [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Heather Vescent: +1 I've heard this too from governments in Seattle.
Mike Lodder: ...: Governments hung up on misunderstanding about issuing credentials
Heather Vescent: @Rgrant - not, but it has to be framed in a certain way.
Joe Andrieu: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/did-spec/issues/101 https://github.com/w3c-ccg/did-spec/pull/102
Joe Andrieu: Owner is controlled by the courts [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Joe Andrieu: Controller is functional [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: I'd like to avoid the idea of owner
Christopher Allen: I've run into this problem also [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: Its been problematic so I hope we can switch to something functional vs property based
Mike Lodder: ...: Taiwan loves the idea of Self Soveriegn Identity
Mike Lodder: ...: Taiwan and China in battle to remain recognized
Mike Lodder: On the issue of keys [scribe assist by Kim Hamilton Duffy]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Working on a library that's meant to be open and allow interop
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Fair amount of interest, supports 2 most popular key type
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Would like to work with folks to add others
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Will spearhead discussion at RWOT
Ryan Grant: My soapbox speech can wait.
Mike Lodder: Point was also to support interop [scribe assist by Kim Hamilton Duffy]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Need that if DIDs are going to take off
Kaliya Young: Yep - we gotta make them talk to each other.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Supports high security mode as well as portable mode
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Should work anywhere
Kim Hamilton Duffy: ...Goal is to allow interop btw various DID offerings. Use case may vary, e.g. credentials, etc, and those should be accounted for
Mike Lodder: I added myself to state the interoperability
Christopher Allen: JSON-LD support is causing more of a problem than the cryptography primitives [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Drummond anything else to discuss on service endpoints [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Drummond Reed: Mike-lodder submitted a PR to address this, needs review [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Mike Lodder: ...: And feedback
Mike Lodder: ...: Need to address Sam Smiths two issues related to service endpoints
Mike Lodder: ...: Daniel Hardman is pressing for clarity for IDs in DID documents
Dan Burnett: Kim, I am now available to help with DID-related work. Let me know where I can help.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Next week's meeting will be canceled [scribe assist by Mike Lodder]
Heather Vescent: Thanks all, Kim.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Thanks @burn!