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Verifiable Traceability Task Force

Transcript for 2023-08-01

<tallted_//_ted_thibodeau_(he/him)_(> VOCAB week, Standing Agenda:
Our Robot Overlords are scribing.
russell_h_( is scribing.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Starting with vocab
Nis Jespersen : Let's look at trace interop reports, mysterious failures
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Conformance looks fine
Nis Jespersen : I can run it locally, figure it out
Ted Thibodeau: Provider and test summary, transmute and mesur dragging it down
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think last week it was very different. change since we added credential workflow, maybe
Ted Thibodeau: Still breaking this provider line down by company, not provider, troublesome. want an overall average there
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: There's one at the top. you're lookiing for "credential average is x"
Ted Thibodeau: So credentials issue, in subtable, 100 100 28. I want to know overall avg.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Will raise two issues on that
Ted Thibodeau: And what changed between last week and now
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Anything else before PRs?
Nis Jespersen : Client scope was added as env var, guessing that's not defined, that could be it?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Probably. we're passing fail tests but not passing pass tests. I believe I did something on our end to fix, so that's probably what's going on.
Nis Jespersen : Misc cleanup
Nis Jespersen : Some odd changes to workflow, but that's from building last week
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Transmute, does that affect your steel demo?
<nis> Bravo!
Nis Jespersen : Have had around for a while, just committed orie's changes
Nis Jespersen : Another workflow thing as side effect
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Create PR with grammar changes suggested by ted, cause it has to change elsewhere
Nis Jespersen : Adding tin to MTR chem compounds
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: 2 Approvals, any problems merging 844 in? merging
Nis Jespersen : +1 On spelling out Oil And Gas
Ted Thibodeau: Also, this pr uses og, we decided is oilandgas, unsure where
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think it's just PR name
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Modifying PR name. two approvals, any objections to merging 845? merging
Chris Abernethy: Change that scope thing that broke all our testing. Doc updates.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Orie had change request? and I'd like to add that it's optional
<orie> we should just remove it?
<orie> why spend so much effort to maintain optionality nobody is using
Chris Abernethy: Suggest wording for that?
Orie Steele: Quick comment - lot of work done to maintain optional param noones using, remove?
Chris Abernethy: Have to, otherwise ppl can't participate at all
Orie Steele: Make supporting themd efault case remove optional details. Other way of saying, anyone getting value out of tests only excluding id?
Chris Abernethy: Already removed them. that's why this client var exists, now justa ssume we're passing tests and if you need wonky names then specify.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Awesome. going to add comment please address pr, merge offline. chris ask orie to review again after made changes
Orie Steele: Just removes deprecated suites not using, pretty straightfwd, refers to media type, could change but better to rfer to that than suite no one's using
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Do we expect to continue jsonwebkey2020, or just jsonwebkey?
Orie Steele: I'd suggest just jsonwebkey. all applies to did doc not context credential
Orie Steele: Merge pr as-is, update other things as pr 137 lands. incremental improvement seems worth it.
<orie> sry need to drop
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: 2 Approvals, all comments resolved, merging in
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any pressing issues?
Benjamin Collins: Basic schema issue of type str and add format of datetime to make sure it's specific form of datetime for format. using it more consistently across schemas, tho I don't it should be scaled across all issues
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Writing that in as additional action item.
Benjamin Collins: Assigned myself. I can do a pass.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Added ready for pr label. anything else on this? great
Nis Jespersen : We can be more precise than a string, standard being applied. I think this'd be the right way to express the content that is the mill test.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: What's next steps?
Nis Jespersen : Assign me, let's come back
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: So second comment is action item?
Nis Jespersen : Yes
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any ip issues if we use iso standards in vocab terms? or is this fine?
Ted Thibodeau: As long as the things resolve to ppl who haven't bought into iso
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Thank you, next up, max size limit for json-ld vc's
Ted Thibodeau: Just followed link to presented elongation, wrong link.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Fair. but going to need to go through all of them anyway. will note that.
Ted Thibodeau: Really problematic. taking one product's arbitrary limitation, smaller than file size limits on any os, saying "this tiny thing is how big any"
Benjamin Collins: More around time it takes to sign. could even time out on i7 with 32gigs mem. Jsonld the canonical op before signing, there's a practical term
Ted Thibodeau: Diff argument than "mongo has this limit"
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Look at last two links in orie's comment.
Ted Thibodeau: Ok, so, this should be doc'd, "there's a practical limit here and this is why"
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Underlying thing, chris, we are moving away from canonicalization anyway
Benjamin Collins: Practical limit on what can be computed. If quantumn computing let's you do it in half a sec, that's a technical dependency. ANd then chri's point if we move away from canonicalization, it's just hashing the bytes.
Ted Thibodeau: Also noting, this is a deployment tradeoff. may be that x hours is worthwhile
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Not hard no, "this is guidance plz follow guidance". Someone can still do it
Benjamin Collins: Part of use case is transactions, if need 100's of transactions/min. if have datacenter, 300cpus, 3 terabytes mem and you want to spend all day signing something, go ahead
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any action items?
Ted Thibodeau: I think this is fine for PR
<chris_abernethy> I have a potential PR for the interop testing we talked about earlier - not 100% sure it will solve things, but it is a step in the right direction:
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Any volunteers?
Chris Abernethy: If one more, let's discuss 585, pass scope in env var
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Put if statement on whether var is present.
Nis Jespersen : +1 Mahmoud
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: This does need to go through. I think we have enough approvals, I think we can merge in