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Verifiable Traceability Task Force

Transcript for 2024-01-16

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%5BAGENDA&period_month=Jan&period_year=2024&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-credentials&resultsperpage=20&sortby=date
Organizer
Orie Steele, Mike Prorock, Mahmoud Alkhraishi
Scribe
Our Robot Overlords and Nis Jespersen
Present
Mahmoud Alkhraishi, Nis Jespersen , Guilherme, TallTed // Ted Thibodeau (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com), Patrick St-Louis, Chris Abernethy, A.J. Stein, Ted Thibodeau
Audio Log
Our Robot Overlords are scribing.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Welcome to the traceability call for January 16 2024 uh.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Sorry welcome to trivia call for January 16 2024.
Nis Jespersen is scribing.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Anything out of the regular agenda? No.
Patrick St-Louis: Still having problems with this PR
Chris Abernethy: I tested it also, reproduces the error
Chris Abernethy: This term is defined already
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Remove the term, it's defined elsewhere
Nis Jespersen : Nis : +1
Nis Jespersen : Let's collaborate on this
Nis Jespersen : We expanded the schema
Nis Jespersen : There might be more precise term definitions - but fine to merge
Nis Jespersen : Outdated way to define workflows. We now use the data model for it. Also pretty bad definitions.
Patrick St-Louis: Why no endpoint for getting presentations
Nis Jespersen : That is between you and your service provider, not interop
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Moving to trace interop
Nis Jespersen : Chris, yes, we do want to purge these
Patrick St-Louis: Is this not a VP?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: It's unsigned VP
Nis Jespersen : The signature is in the header
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: The signature is not part of the VP
Patrick St-Louis: Issuer and holder often different
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: It's quite common that issuer and holder are the same
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Nis, other sections with these references
Subsequent PR
Nis Jespersen : Sorry if I've been sloppy :)
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Opening 618
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Can anyone take update section 10?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: There are still references in section 10 and OAS
Nis Jespersen : Let's merge te PRs we got
Ted Thibodeau: Consider merge conflicts
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We still need a third PR also
Ted Thibodeau: Edit the comment so Github doesn't react
Nis Jespersen : Good thinking, Ted!
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Approval pls
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: 619: Ack section, copied from trace vocab
Acknowledgements
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Changes to abstract. Would love some more in depth
Addresses 528, abstract nicification
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Interpreted as remove relationship to vc api
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: More reviews, pls
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Happy to give it another week and do it properly
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Changes that terminology is only defined in vocab
Mergingi in
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Newest agenda: going through vocab issues
Nis Jespersen : Why not least recently updated
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Yup
Nis Jespersen : We went through Steel Tech Demo, this didn't com eup
Mahmoud recapping the issue discussion
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Suggest we don't label this v1
Nis Jespersen : Nis: +1
Chris Abernethy: +1
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Ted, can you confirm?
Nis Jespersen : My PR fixed this
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Closing as complete
Ted Thibodeau: Was YML removed
Chris Abernethy: Yes, Nis PR removed it
Nis Jespersen : I don't think 357 isn't v1
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think it is
Nis Jespersen : Aiming to limit scope as much as possible
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Labeling 1.1
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Paul was tagged to provide guidance. That was next step
Nis Jespersen : Nis +1
Nis Jespersen : Would love to see this, but not necessary for v1
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Pending close
Nis Jespersen : Kill!!
Nis Jespersen : Pending close from August...
Patrick St-Louis: It was renamed for bitstrings
Hard time finding the definition. Not sure if SL2021 is still prefered
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: This issue is specifically on which documents need suspencion
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: And are these compatible?
Patrick St-Louis: Notification and time of notification is outside of the scope of SL
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: SL doesn't prevent it
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Important, won't hold v1 for it
Nis Jespersen : Nis: +1
Nis Jespersen : It's overly imcompassing
Ted Thibodeau: It's unavoidably big. Started out sloppy, needs fixing
Ted Thibodeau: 1.1
Nis Jespersen : Nis. +1
<a.j._stein> How many examples are we talking?
<a.j._stein> A couple dozen, hundreds?
<a.j._stein> Oh ok.
Nis Jespersen : ~100
<a.j._stein> I mull over volunteering. (Does W3C have a laugh cry emoji?)
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Update example while you are there
Nis Jespersen : Test data is a chore
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Make a few example organizations, then go with those
Patrick St-Louis: Should we store those organizations?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: We just need a few
Nis Jespersen : It's not all organizations
Patrick St-Louis: Reminds me of DID Actor project: alice, bob etc
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Faker
Nis Jespersen : We don't use faker any more
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Best effort, make it clear its fake
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Is this v1?
No, not tagging it
Nis Jespersen : Pretty sure I fixed this
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Closing
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Nis, you okay to own this for v1?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Doesn't seem like a v1
Nis Jespersen : Nis: +1
Patrick St-Louis: For oauth pres exchange, looked at gihub action and test
When it hits /presentations, only test is response 200
And is actually responds with error
Chris Abernethy: I don't believe those tests were completed
Patrick St-Louis: So what should be returned?
Should I attach a workflow id?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: You received the workflow id
Patrick St-Louis: So, the holder will call /presentations, verifier responds with an ack
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Yes, just ack
Nis Jespersen : Encourage you to raise improvements on the collection
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: You are trying to use it, you struggle, make sense to raise anything needs fixing
Patrick St-Louis: Is there an implied action there should happen?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: What you do with the credentials is your business
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Over time. Thanks for joining this productive meeting.
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Okay to continue this way next week?
Patrick St-Louis: Where can we find each other, Nis?
Nis Jespersen : Linked in
A.J.: 882, how to discuss it?
Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Raise it in the beginning
Goodbye
<a.j._stein> That's a good question, not sure how much vocab analogues are in OSCAL.
<a.j._stein> Thus my question.