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Credentials CG Telecon

Minutes for 2020-09-21

Agenda
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2020Sep/0051.html
Topics
  1. Introduction & Re-introductions
  2. Announcements & Reminders
  3. Progress on Action Items
Organizer
Heather Vescent, Wayne Chang, Kim Hamilton Duffy
Scribe
Kaliya Young
Present
Phil Long, Heather Vescent, Joe Andrieu, Manu Sporny, Phil Archer, Anil John, Jonathan Holt, Brent Zundel, Wayne Chang, Erica Connell, Dmitri Zagidulin, Gregory Rocco, Robbie Jones, Martin Kuo, Adrian Gropper, Kaliya Young, Kim Hamilton Duffy, Moses Ma, Chris Winczewski, Jacksohne, Adrian Hope-Bailie
Audio Log
Phil Long: Is Jitsi being used for this meeting as well?
Heather Vescent: Yes, we are at: https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/weekly
Phil Long: Thanks Manu
Phil Archer: Uh oh. Anil has joined the meeting ;-)
Anil John: LOL
I heard 'recording is on' but that is all... is there another setting I have to enable to get audio?
Robbie Jones: We can hear audio -- if you can't hear audio, you might try joining via a different browser (or check your audio settings)
Christopher is in IRC
Jonathan Holt: Reqrets
Kaliya Young is scribing.
Kaliya Young is scribing.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Introduction and re-introductions

Topic: Introduction & Re-introductions

Kim Hamilton Duffy: Econnell
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Eric Connell

Topic: Announcements & Reminders

@Econnell Works with Rebooting web of trust on virtualizing it.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Annoucements IIW is coming up October 20-22
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Several ongoing side meetings.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Verifiable Credentials for education 8am pacific.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Every Monday there is a DID resolution calls 1pm pacific
((Someone is breathing...can you mute))
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Secure Data Store working group 1pm Pacific Thursday
DID resolution spec meeting is bi-weekly; was yesterday

Topic: Progress on Action Items

Kim Hamilton Duffy: Issue - synthesize what is in a wallet into a report. can we close? Heather pulled together a lot of material. If it is going to move forward it needs owners for it.
Heather Vescent: We had a positive response to what is a wallet and we wanted to capture the information beyond the wallet.
Heather Vescent: It was suggested that a more detailed overviewed or recap could be made. There were some people who thought that was a good idea. We have satisfied the initial issue.
Manu Sporny: +1 To avoid scope creep.
Anil John: Speaking of Digital Wallets, the UI/UX Competition being sponsored by DHS/SVIP is now open -- Details at https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/prize-competitions
Manu Sporny: And have focused issues that have resolutions.
Anil John: We will be sure to point the applicants to the CCG Digital Wallet resources and report.
Heather Vescent: If there is someone who wants to take ownership and write a report that could work.
Anil John: We will announce the 3 Stage 1 winners at a community engagement event. Free registration @ https://sri-csl.regfox.com/digital-wallets-challenge
[SIP/pstn-2-000013f4] is in the conference.
[SIP/pstn-2-000013f4] has joined the conference.
Jacksohne: Thank you!
[SIP/pstn-2-000013f4].
[SIP/pstn-2-000013f4] has left the conference.
Phil Archer: Yes
Looks great!
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Andi Hindle
Andi: works in identity for 14 years and chairs the content committee at Identiverse and participates in a range of standards groups mostly lurking
Andi: moments to orient to Identiverse, overview of some of the key things touched on, wrap up with a brief introduction next year.
Andi: originated in 2010 as the cloud identity summit - founder and CEO of PingIdentity still founding sponsor. Run as an industry conference
Andi: the core focus is identity touching on security and privacy too. More conference heavy then expo heavy.
Andi: 2020 we were originally planned to be in Denver - needed refactoring.
Andi: everyone had to work out the best way to do this. We had a good fortune to follow IIW.
Andi: we had 80 hours of programmed conference - we spread out the conference over 8 weeks with presentations each day - virtual networking in the sessions and outside of the sessions.
Andi: Pre-record the presentations.
Andi: Highlights it is tricky to do this. 80 hours of content is a lot and kind of impossible to cover a lot.
Andi: a lot of over lap with the statistics - most viewed and watched. Tried to pick a few things from each of the major topic areas.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: I'm back
Moses Ma: Bug: recording stopped and restarted
Andi: left happens every year
Andi: Right hand side topics we typically cover but at variousing levels of amount.
Andi: UX at the top was a thematic focus for the year. We were trying to make sure we covered it.
Andi: Has taken a screen shot of the topics in the user-experience area.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Anil, I meant to repeat what you posted about the wallet competition. We can remind everyone at the end of the call
Andi: This topic infused many other topics.
Thanks for your patience Andi
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Anil -- can we add it to our announcements&reminders page?
Andi: was good to get folks from outside of identity, security, privacy - group of UX researchers at google - trying to understand how people interact with identity systems.
Andi: not everyone uses identity the way that identity people think about identity - has real implications for how people use it for real use-cases. Not just enteprise setting.
Andi: As soon as you get outside Enterprise systems you have real challenges.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Sorry, just saw Manu's comment. My computer crashed the second Andi started speaking. And yes, we are exploring whether Anil's webcam was involved
Andi: Where is the User in User Experience? By ____. also had good things to share.
Andi: Privacy is something we covered with ethics and governance.
Andi: ISC and IAPP for CECs.
Andi: Hard in virtual content - want to make exciting and engaging. We are fortunate to have a number of people who are outstanding presentors. Making things that get issues across in interesting ways.
Andi: Jeremy Grant gave a good presentations about challenges of CCPA - using rock songs.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: /Me :heart:
Andi: Katherine Harrison gave a good presentation on deep fakes.
Andi: Trust in what we see, trust in what we hear, this has a big role.
Andi: security takes up a lot of the overall agenda time. it is tricky.
Andi: its all about security.
Andi: Deep dive stuff - homomorphic encryption is it real through to more practical things Privileged Access Management.
Andi: Neshant gave a very real mission impossible talk through myths and realities.
Andi: Alex Winer at MSFT gave a real time demo of how identity systems get compromised to understand the risks.
Andi: Authorization as a topic - this has a lot of active work now. Activity in the standards space and solving deployment issues.
Andi: not totally surprising
Andi: Standards is core to what we do each here - there are a lot of standards there is an incresing number. We can't cover everything every year. if you look at it across 2-3 years.
Andi: some come and then go away - then come back once they are in deployments.
Andi: why didn't cover verifiable credentials stuff? was touched on a few presentations.
Andi: had some coverage decentralized digital identity mostly from a OpenID presentations.
Andi: So how architecture and deployments tends to be where we get the standards and solidified and reified in architecthures and deployment along with real experiments with axilary things. Thomson Rueters did a very interesting experiment he shared about multiple clouds.
Andi: Practical examples from EA.
Andi: very interesting from industry as a whole. understanding the us-cases is telling.
Andi: how they are having to stich them together. Another one pulled out here - panel on scaling strong authentication - mainly around FIDO.
Andi: one of the challenges medium to almost large enterprise. As soon as you look at it on a consume scale or global enterprise scale. Token delivery, token replacement. Someone at NIST suggested we hold a panel about this. To talk about this in forums that the industry as a whole can start to particiapte.
Andi: Good presentation from ____ workday
Andi: Steve Wilson gave a deep thoughtful provoking talk - Identity as data.
Andi: What it is the industry can and does do for them.
Heather Vescent: Awe - thanks Andi! ps. all images in the deck are from GITS!
Andi: Heather gave a presentation on deep fakes with a different perspective.
Andi: we had headliner presentation some but not all would be keynotes. Ian Glazer
Andi: his presentation was on the future of identity next 10-15 years. has a large volume of slides.
Andi: a number of panels - looking at identity privacy and security and how they fit together don't fit together.
Andi: series of interviews with Henry Rawlands - punk rocker - broadcaster.
Andi: he did interviews with several folks.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: S/Rawlands/Rollins
Andi: Getting folks to engage hard so an interview with him was a way to get them to present.
Andi: wasn't quite the same as being in person
Andi: covered topics on diversity and eithics.
Andi: Andre and Esther Dyson had a great conversation
Question: where can we see the presentations - are they on youtube?
Andi: Next year - dates are set 20-23 of June and if we can - some part will be in physical format - likely virtual too.
Andi: Call for presentations is open in October.
Andi: New archive on identiverse.com
Adrian Hope-Bailie: Any impression on human centered design.
Adrian Hope-Bailie: Yes and no
Andi: yes and no - trite response we have a lot of work to do as an industry.
Great recap Andi!
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Identiverse on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUOo7SSG-a4yk8-11kPDKqg
Andi: helping people to understand how to deal with a passwordless universe - consumers are not near this. We have for 20 years trained them to have strong passwords.
Andi: When you take them to a passwordless environment - that can't be safe - a lot of training work to do - the other thing emerging around decentralized identity - we need to clear we are solving problems people actually care about.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1
Andi: that is worth baring in mind. We have run into it in some of the other user-centric work.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Thank you Andi. Thank you Kaliya for scribing.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Anil there is a wallet design competition going on.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Thank you.
Wayne Chang: Thank you kaliya!!!!
Wayne Chang: Great scribing
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Indeed great scribing
Thanks everyone for listening!
Moses Ma: Bye all!